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(Dollanganger #3)

Out of the ashes of evil Chris and Cathy made such a loving home for their splendid children..
Fourteen-year-old Jory was so handsome, so gentle. And Bart had such a dazzling imagination for a nine year old.
Then the lights came on in the abandoned house next door. Soon the Old Lady in Black was there, watching their home with prying eyes, guarded by her strange old butler...more

Published November 28th 1981 by Pocket

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EliaIf you mean actual seasons, it takes place over the course of one Summer, Fall and Winter in California. Jory specifically mentions this in his final…moreIf you mean actual seasons, it takes place over the course of one Summer, Fall and Winter in California. Jory specifically mentions this in his final chapter. (less)

This question contains spoilers…(view spoiler)[Right at the end when Bart is reading Malcolm's journal and Cathy says it's blank and the real one was burnt in a fire, does she mean the recent fire or the fire at foxworth hall years before, in which case the journal Bart had would be always been blank? (hide spoiler)]

XhexI think it means the recent fire. In which case, Bart needs the journal because it somehow became a part of him. I believe he now knows all the…moreI think it means the recent fire. In which case, Bart needs the journal because it somehow became a part of him. I believe he now knows all the journal entries by heart. (less)

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Sep 05, 2016James rated it liked it

Shelves: 3-multi-book-series, 1-fiction, 2-fic-young-adult

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3+ of 5 stars to If There Be Thorns, the third book in the 'Dollanganger' series written in 1981 by V.C. Andrews. After the first two books, I didn't think you could keep the thrills and suspense going in this series, mostly because one family can only endure so much torture over the years. Surprisingly, I actually found I liked a large part of this book; however, it was a bit excessive and drawn out at times. The story, told from the perspective of Cathy and Chris' kids, continue..more

Feb 12, 2019Matt rated it really liked it

No matter how chaotic one’s life can be, running away can sometimes only make things worse. Chris and Cathy have tried to do this, fleeing the horrors of South Carolina and Virginia for the wonders of California. With Bart and Jory alongside them, Cathy’s boys are ready to enjoy a quieter life. While both know their fathers have passed on, neither Bart nor Jory realise that Chris is not their true step-father—the story they have been told—and that their mother has been fostering numerous secrets..more

I'm going to copy and paste this to all of them!!!! I feel like I have to justify this and all of the other V. C. Andrews books on my list!! I read these when I was young and loved them! My sister and I poured through them- they were obviously trashy for our age (probably the appeal) but mom let us read ANYTHING- as long as we were readung she was ok with it! And that paied off- because both my sister and I still read for pleasure daily. You can't beat it! Hey- and why be a book snob???

Sep 06, 2017Mizuki rated it really liked it

I made a V. C. Andrews' meme jpg today!
(Link: https://vampirekiki.deviantart.com/ar..)
Too bad I can't make a colored version.
I always think the Dollanganger series and My Sweet Audrina are Ms. Andrews' best works, still I was afraid I wouldn't enjoy If There Be Thorns much because the summary makes the story sound so over-the-top melodramatic.
However, I'm delighted to find I enjoy the story, though the story is still quite melodramatic (you can't escape melodramas when you're reading Ms. Andre..more

Nov 23, 2016Sarah Mac rated it it was ok

Shelves: zzz-2016-leftovers-completed, zzz-2016, buddy-reads-r-smrt, i-aint-got-the-words, uber-disappointing, punch-a-mime, read-regifted, reviewed, reviewed-snarky, buddy-reads-r-evul

Just remembered that I never wrote a review for this piece of schlock. So..here 'tis.
Meet Jory:
Jory is Cathy's elder son. He's a ballet dancer. He's got a girlfriend. He likes dogs, dancing, & being normal. Jory is a fairly balanced individual, all things considered, which means he's frequently befuddled by the flaming bag of crazypants that is his family.
Now, meet Bart:
Bart is Cathy's younger son, 9 years old & already a sociopath. He abuses animals, threatens his parents at knifepoin..more

'If There Be Thorns' is the third installment in the Dollanganger series and, in my opinion, the weakest link of the saga.
My main problem with the book is not so much the storyline, but the fact that the story is told from the perspectives of fourteen-year-old Jory (Cathy's son with Julian) and nine year-old Bart (Cathy's son with Bart Winslow). While it's easy to sympathize with Jory - - his confusion over finding out his parents' true identities and the true character of his biological father..more

Feb 03, 2013Rabbit {Paint me like one of your 19th century gothic heroines!} rated it it was ok

Shelves: books-i-read-with-hot-tea, dark, fiction, guilty-pleasure, horror, relationships, present-day, pausing-my-feminist-brain, incest, buddy-reads-r-social-life

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May 20, 2012Sezín Koehler rated it it was amazing

Shelves: book-ii-crime-rave-2015, book-iii-prague-research, crime, horror, tales-of-survivors, memoir-research

I didn't think this series could get more disturbing, but it most certainly does. Unlike the first two installments of this tragedy, this volume is told from the point of view of Cathy Dollanganger's two sons, to an eerie effect. We see from the outside how Cathy struggles with the traumas of her childhood and how PTSD has affected her decision-making abilities. It's really heartbreaking.
The other theme of this novel is how family secrets will surface no matter to what lengths people go to hide..more

I adored this book more than I had the previous two. It added another layer to everything, reflecting how the 'saints' Cather and Chris were viewed from other people. It showed us how everything looks when you're not looking at it through their perspectives, and I know that this book wouldn't have been as good had Catherine continued to tell it ( not just because it wouldn't make sense then either. )
It explored the subject of childhood sociopathy, and has an overall darker tone than the previous..more

Jul 14, 2015Arlette Corona alejandre rated it liked it · review of another edition

*3.5*
Sinceramente no sé como sentirme con respecto al libro.
De verdad.
Es oscuro de una manera diferente a los otros dos.
La familia francamente esta enferma.
Mi único rayito de luz es Jory.
Cathy yo siempre te voy a apoyar con Chris.
BART.. Bueno.. maldito niño, ojalá te mueras

Oct 31, 2012W rated it really liked it · review of another edition

The third book in the Dollanger series. I always promise myself that if there is a series of books, i will read them all, no exception. There is one more book in the series, but i think i will take a break from incest and rape. Virginia Andrews obviously knew how to turn something that is obviously revolting into some kind of love story. No matter how bad your childhood was, no excuse for incest.
Having said that, the book is not too bad. It focuses now on Cathy's children, Jory and Bart, from t..more

I read the VC Andrews Flower in The Attic series as a young teenager. After reading the other reviews I was struck by the fact that so many people had commented that they weren’t allowed to read these books or had to hide them from their parents and/or teachers.
I don’t remember my mother ever having a problem with me reading these books, in fact, I’m sure she must have purchased them for me. As long as I was reading, she was fine with it. I don’t however remember them being quite as scandalous..more

Mar 26, 2011Alice Lee rated it did not like it

I read through about 70% of this book and finally gave up, feeling my brain starting to daze and hurt, like I was having a mental diarrhea from stuffing my face with too much VC Andrews in too short of a time. Teaches me to read so much garbage.
This book was nowhere near as consuming as the first two. The writing is about the same - bad, but at least not abysmal, and is easy to read. But none of the characters were compelling; I tried and tried to like Bart, since he's the only character that ha..more

Nov 09, 2015Inés Izal rated it it was ok · review of another edition

Eramos pocos, y parió la abuela.
(Nunca mejor dicho)

Mar 17, 2016Erin *Proud Book Hoarder* rated it liked it · review of another edition

3.5 stars
“If we could survive the worst, doesn’t it stand to reason we should be able to bear the best?”
Of course there's tragedy with this series, but there's also something bizarrely beautiful. It's a mesmerizing series, not perfect but hard to get out of once you dig in. It would be a shame to just read Flowers In The Attic and not continue the series - even if the original was the best, the sequels feed into each other, making the story richer.
I went back and forth between 3 and 4 stars. So..more

I enjoyed this book and its craziness. I think this has been my favorite in the series so far. I like that the narration shifted to the two sons because I found Cathy's perspective pretty annoying in the last book. I found Bart hilarious. I love that he's a total psychopath and no ones seems very concerned. He may or may not have killed multiple animals because they didn't love him enough, he constantly stabs at people with his knife, he hobbles around like an old man; he is a whole lot of crazy..more

Como el anterior, ha sido como ver un choque de trenes. Sabes que va al desastre, pero no puedes dejar de mirar. Y sin embargo, no me ha terminado de gustar tanto como el primero, creo que si la autora lo hubiera dejado ahí, era suficiente.

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Feb 15, 2017Christian Nava rated it did not like it · review of another edition

Lo bueno:
Hay una sensación de progreso en el personaje de Cathy, quien pasa a un papel secundario en esta entrega de la saga (¡Gracias a Dios!); por otra parte, hay uno que otro aspecto redimible en cómo se reflejan las distintas aristas del amor en la narrativa.
Lo malo:
Me parece una una novela difícil de leer y de ejecución torpe. Los múltiples narradores no ayudaron mucho tampoco. Y bueno, como ya he dicho antes, Cathy es un personaje hermosamente construido, pero terriblemente detestable. De..more

God these books are sick... I love it! The way cathys sons are us like karma.. i read this series about a year ago and the story is still fresh!.. everything that happened keeps your head spinning in circles.. as for the rest of the series, you'll be sorry if you don't finish it as well as continue on with this author. I know I am ecstatic that I did.. V.C Andrews is one of many favorite authors mostly for the fact that she writes stories that you never want to end.. if you read it let..more

Feb 28, 2018MissBecka rated it did not like it

Dear V.C. Andrews,
What possessed you to (view spoiler)[not only kill Apple and Clover but to do it in such horrible ways (hide spoiler)] ?
You disgust me.
Sincerely,
MissBeckaGee

Mar 03, 2014♥ Marlene♥ rated it liked it

Read this years ago. No decades ago. Back in the days this was a very interesting story. One that you hardly heard of back then. Now it is normal to capture young children and abuse them, there are tons of books you can buy on this subject but back in the days this was really quite exiting and you wanted to know more.
What I do recall is that even back then I did get annoyed sometimes by the writing so this is not a book I want to re read.
By he way I am disgusted by her family That they were so d..more

Sep 14, 2016nesha ~♡ rated it really liked it · review of another edition

“Por lo visto, los grandes amores eran así; destruían cuando se cruzaba su camino”.
“Tiene que haber oscuridad para que se haga la luz”.
Ok, no sé por qué estos libros me dan siempre ganas de llorar. Te dejan con ganas de leer el próximo.
Bart me tenía en desespero, sin duda ese niño hará más de las suyas..

Jan 10, 2016Erika rated it really liked it

Estos libros siguen teniendo la capacidad de trumatizarme. Que locura! Increíble como una mala decisión en el pasado puede afectar a generaciones venideras y peor como las personas viven en engañadas y convencidas de que todo estará bien cuando todo se cae por su propio peso.

Dec 15, 2011sj rated it liked it

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(view spoiler)[At the end ofPetals on the Wind, Cathy was struggling with 2 small children and a dying (second) husband. Paul's dying wish was that she give in to Chris and allow him to provide for her as a husband would. So SHE DOES!
If There Be Thorns starts up 9 years later, with Chris and Cathy living as husband and wife (ew) in Northern California. For some reason, I keep wanting to say they live in New Mexico, even though I know that isn't righ..more

The book is narrated by two half-brothers, Jory and Bart Sheffield. Jory is a handsome, talented fourteen-year-old boy who wants to follow his mother Cathy in her career in the ballet, while nine-year-old Bart, who is unattractive and clumsy, feels he is outshone by Jory. By now, Cathy and Chris live together as husband and wife. To hide their history, they tell the boys and other people they know that Chris was Paul's younger brother. Cathy and Chris have a passionate and very sexual relationsh..more

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Feb 23, 2014Hester rated it it was ok

Shelves: kindle-time, mother-lovers, thats-so-trashy, read-in-2014, the-devil-likes-them-young

Here we go again, picking up seven years later with the two remaining Dresden Dolls and Cathy's spawn.
This time around Cathy is not our narrator, thank you Jaysus! Honestly, I cannot stand Cathy, she’s just all around terrible and any goodwill or sympathy she gained in Flowers in the Attic was shredded by Petals on the Wind. This story is her sons Jory (I can’t with that name) and Bart’s to tell.
Jory (ugh, that name) and Bart (another ugh) are polar opposites. Bart is jealous of Jory and feels..more

Apr 04, 2009Belle rated it did not like it

I'm so confused. I started reading this book and found the writing style to be different. Even though it was written by Andrews, I felt like I was reading something by her ghostwriter. I hated this one.
This is the only V.C. Andrews book written from a boy's point of view. As in Petals on the Wind, I was not fond of Cathy. She seems completely ignorant of Bart's life..she doesn't try hard enough to reach out to him. Also mad because she impregnated herself with two different men's children witho..more

I nearly gave this one two stars, but the ending cranked it up to three. The writing here has seriously gone downhill and I think the major reason for that is giving the POV to the offspring of Cathy: a 14 year old and 10 year old (might be off slightly on the ages, but it’s a rough estimation). Factor in how blind Cathy and Chris are to who their new and mysterious next door neighbor is, and you’ve got the winner for the most oblivious parents ever. Get a clue, y’all! Anywho, back to the writin..more

May 24, 2015Rebecca Mcnu*tt rated it really liked it

Gripping addition to this controversial series; I really wasn't expecting to hear of the creepy butler again and this book paints a darkly vibrant picture with its vocabulary, characters and imagery.

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Books published under the following names - Virginia Andrews, V. Andrews, Virginia C. Andrews & V.C. Endrius. Books since her death ghost written by Andrew Neiderman, but still attributed to the V.C. Andrews name
Virginia Cleo Andrews (born Cleo Virginia Andrews) was born June 6, 1923 in Portsmouth, Virginia. The youngest child and the only daughter of William Henry Andrews, a career navy man..more

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